Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

01/17/2006 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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03:10:12 PM Overview: Petersburg Mental Health Services
04:55:57 PM Adjourn
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Adolescents in Treatment for Chronic
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
 HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                        January 17, 2006                                                                                        
                           3:09 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Tom Anderson                                                                                                     
Representative Carl Gatto                                                                                                       
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Vic Kohring                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  PETERSBURG MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES - ADOLESCENTS IN                                                                   
TREATMENT FOR CHRONIC MENTAL ILLNESS OR ADDICTION                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN OHMER, Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), Chemical                                                                   
Dependency Counselor I (CDC I), Executive Director                                                                              
Petersburg Mental Health Services (PMHS)                                                                                        
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented the overview of PMHS and                                                                         
introduced client witnesses.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NANCY DAHLSTROM                                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Asked questions of the testifying                                                                          
witnesses.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL BOSEMAN                                                                                                                 
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Presented  an oral  memoir  and  answered                                                               
questions  regarding  services  received from  Petersburg  Mental                                                               
Health Services.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA GREENE                                                                                                                  
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  a digital  memoir and  answered                                                               
questions  regarding  services  received from  Petersburg  Mental                                                               
Health Services.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL BIGGERS                                                                                                                 
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  a digital  memoir and  answered                                                               
questions  regarding  services  received from  Petersburg  Mental                                                               
Health Services.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KATIE EDFELT                                                                                                                    
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:   Her digital  memoir was presented  by Susan                                                               
Ohmer.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR  PAUL SEATON  called the  House Health,  Education and                                                             
Social Services  Standing Committee  meeting to order  at 3:09:12                                                             
PM.   Present at  the call to  order were  Representatives Gatto,                                                             
Cissna,  Gardner,  and  Anderson.     Representative  Wilson  was                                                               
excused.  Senator Huggins was also in attendance.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  PETERSBURG MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:10:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR  SEATON  announced that  the  only  order of  business                                                               
would be the overview from Petersburg Mental Health Services.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  OHMER, Licensed  Clinical Social  Worker (LCSW),  Chemical                                                               
Dependency  Counselor I  (CDC I)  Executive Director,  Petersburg                                                               
Mental  Health Services  (PMHS),  presented the  overview from  a                                                               
seven-page  document, available  in  the committee  packet.   Ms.                                                               
Ohmer described  Petersburg, Alaska:  location,  industry, ethnic                                                               
makeup, and approximate population of  3,400.  Ms. Ohmer provided                                                               
a  history  of   the  mental  health  care   versus  the  current                                                               
activities and services available in Petersburg at PMHS.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER spoke from her document stating:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     You  [the  legislature]  help   fund  our  center,  and                                                                    
     Petersburg Mental Health [Services]  belongs in part to                                                                    
     you, ...  we wanted to come  up here today and  let you                                                                    
     know the  difference your investment makes,  ... not to                                                                    
     ask  you  for  anything   other  than  to  listen,  and                                                                    
     basically hear  what our stories are.  ... We're funded                                                                    
     at  the  base  rate  of  a center  in  a  rural  Alaska                                                                    
     setting.   This  means  that we're  one  of the  lower-                                                                    
     funded centers  in Alaska, but we  are not complaining.                                                                    
     We want  you to know  what kind  of bang for  your buck                                                                    
     that  you  get,  when  you   send  money  down  to  our                                                                    
     community.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OHMER  outlined  the  disposition of  the  PMHS  office  and                                                               
caseload, contrasting  how it has evolved  during her twelve-year                                                               
tenure.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER went on to describe  how stigmas are attached to mental                                                               
health care recipients.  However,  she stated that by servicing a                                                               
large percentage of the community, stigmas are dispelled.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:16:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER described the center's  cross training efforts, the "no                                                               
wrong door policy", PMHS's  community relationships, the center's                                                               
joint work with local law  enforcement, and PMHS' goal mandate to                                                               
do "whatever works."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER highlighted  the programs offered at  PMHS:  Connecting                                                               
Threads  Crafts  program;   Wellness  program;  Community  Garden                                                               
program;  Buprenorphine program;  Prime  of  Life Prevention  and                                                               
Education   program;   Fully-Connected  program;   and   programs                                                               
categorized as "Other".                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OHMER said  she attributes  the  keys to  PMHS's success  to                                                               
innovative  staffing efforts,  and  effective outreach  programs.                                                               
She commended  each staff member  as being dedicated to  the goal                                                               
of keeping  clients out of  prison, from being  hospitalized, and                                                               
from committing suicide.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:21:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON  requested a more  in-depth description  of the                                                               
buprenorphine program.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OHMER  detailed this  opiate  drug  addiction program,  it's                                                               
development, and application.  Further,  she stated that clients,                                                               
who might  otherwise be institutionalized in  jail, hospitalized,                                                               
or admitted  to a long-term  care facility,  are not due  to this                                                               
program's effectiveness.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER introduced the day's  presentations, describing them as                                                               
an example  of the Fully-Connected program,  which allows clients                                                               
to  illustrate their  experiences,  learn a  computer skill,  and                                                               
create  an artistic/educational  presentation.    She warned  the                                                               
committee  about the  graphic nature  of the  presentation, which                                                               
consists of  three, client-produced, two-minute videos;  a fourth                                                               
client will present oral testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:24:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER named PMHS's eight  current staff members, their hours,                                                               
and the hours of operation for  the center.  Many hours, evenings                                                               
and weekends,  are "investment hours"  volunteered by  the staff,                                                               
she noted.  She then  thanked the presenters for forfeiting their                                                               
confidentiality,  for  their courage,  and  for  their work  with                                                               
PMHS.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:25:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.    OHMER, in  response  to  questions,  said fishing  is  the                                                               
predominate  industry;  that the  economy  is  also supported  by                                                               
Alaska  Department of  Fish  & Game  (ADF&G),  and United  States                                                               
Forest  Service  (USFS)  offices;  and that  Petersburg  has  one                                                               
elementary  school, a  middle  school,  and a  high  school.   In                                                               
response to  further questions, she explained  that students must                                                               
leave the community  if they want to obtain  a college education;                                                               
that alcohol and addiction problems  exist in Petersburg schools;                                                               
and  that  there  is  a   methamphetamine  ("meth")  presence  in                                                               
Petersburg.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON asked if the  forthcoming presentation has been                                                               
circulated in Petersburg and used there to any benefit.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER answered that only the  governing board of PMHS has had                                                               
the opportunity  to view  the productions, and  so this  would be                                                               
their  premier  presentation.   She  then  introduced  the  first                                                               
presenter.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL BOSEMAN gave an  oral presentation regarding difficulties                                                               
he experienced  while growing up;  the eight-page  transcript was                                                               
made part of the committee packet.   He concluded his delivery by                                                               
crediting Petersburg Mental Health  with saving his life, despite                                                               
his attempts to avoid being helped.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:40:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO asked  whether if  Mr. Boseman  had written                                                               
the presentation himself, and whether  he considers himself to be                                                               
a good student and a good influence on other students.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOSEMAN  replied  that  he   had  written  the  presentation                                                               
himself, that he has been clean for  two and a half months and no                                                               
longer  deals in  drugs, and  that  he hopes  that he  is a  good                                                               
influence on those around him.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:42:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARDNER  asked   Mr.  Boseman   whether  earlier                                                               
intervention [in Utah] might have  had a beneficial effect on his                                                               
life.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOSEMAN credited the Petersburg  police with doing their job;                                                               
that is how he arrived at  PMHS and, and then proceeded to change                                                               
his life.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:44:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ANDERSON  asked Mr.  Boseman whether he  could see                                                               
PMHS being  of help  to other high  school students;  and whether                                                               
expanding  the  PMHS   facility  would  be  of   service  to  the                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOSEMAN stated, "Definitely."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:46:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO inquired if  it is possible for incorrigible                                                               
children to be helped by the experiences of others.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOSEMAN  opined that everyone  has to go through  his/her own                                                               
experiences.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:48:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON  referred to Mr. Boseman's  statement regarding                                                               
the acceptance of drug and  alcohol use in Petersburg compared to                                                               
Utah, and asked  Mr. Boseman to describe any  differences that he                                                               
experienced.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOSEMAN  said he had  experienced underage alcohol use  to be                                                               
widely  accepted in  [Petersburg]  Alaska, and  that although  in                                                               
use, drugs are not  spoken about or seem to be  ignored.  He said                                                               
he recalls  hearing adults justify  and accept  juvenile drinking                                                               
parties by rationalizing  that "it's going to happen  any way, it                                                               
might as  well be now" and  that "kids will be  kids"; however if                                                               
drugs are involved, not much is said.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:50:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOSEMAN,  in response  to more  questions, confirmed  that he                                                               
primarily received  his drugs and  alcohol from adults,  and that                                                               
suppliers whom he  has known are still in operation.   He went on                                                               
to say that  he has made no attempts to  identify these suppliers                                                               
for  law enforcement,  stating, "I'm  not  out to  get anyone  in                                                               
trouble".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:53:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO returned to  Mr. Boseman's earlier statement                                                               
that in regards  to alcohol, adults justify the  issue by saying,                                                               
"it's going to happen  anyway, and it might as well  be now".  He                                                               
asked  whether   this  statement   applies  to   underage  sexual                                                               
activity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOSEMAN noted  that in  his  experience, it  is a  statement                                                               
commonly made by  adults rationalizing underage drinking.   He is                                                               
not able  to speak  to the  point of whether  it translates  as a                                                               
pressure statement for young girls to have sex.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:55:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER informed the committee  that under age sexual activity,                                                               
particularly as  it relates to  substance abuse and  young girls,                                                               
is  a  concern in  the  community.    Also,  PMHS works  hard  to                                                               
intervene  in substance  abuse situations  as early  as possible.                                                               
In  response to  questions, she  offered her  belief that  when a                                                               
teen is  found to  be in  possession of  an illegal  substance it                                                               
would indicate a history of use.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OHMER,   in  response  to  another   question,  offered  her                                                               
understanding that  schools do have  policies regarding  drug use                                                               
incidents, and  that if a  student is caught, suspension  from an                                                               
athletic  team may  occur.   She opined,  however, that  many are                                                               
using who are not being  caught, and that athletic involvement is                                                               
no longer the deterrent that it once was.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:59:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  BIGGERS  indicated  that  the basis  for  his  [digital]                                                               
presentation centered around  divorce and the damage  that it can                                                               
cause to  those involved; the  presentation consisted of  a slide                                                               
show entitled  "Goodbye Asshole".   [Some  technical difficulties                                                               
with  part of  the visual  aspect of  the presentation  occurred,                                                               
providing audio only.]                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:03:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA  GREENE introduced  her digital  presentation, which  she                                                               
indicated focused on a drug  program that she attended in Burien,                                                               
Washington, and  the help that she  has received from PMHS  as an                                                               
outpatient.  In  response to a question she said  that things are                                                               
going [well] for her now.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:07:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDERSON   said  he  would  like   to  see  these                                                               
presentations made available  as part of a  deterrent program for                                                               
other students.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:10:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR  SEATON  asked Ms.  Greene  about  substance abuse  in                                                               
Petersburg,  and  the  focus of  the  rehabilitation  center  she                                                               
attended.   He  also  said  he was  interested  in  what she  had                                                               
experienced  as   being  the  accepted   drug(s)  of   choice  in                                                               
Petersburg.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. GREENE said that the treatment  center in Burien was for drug                                                               
and   alcohol  rehabilitation,   and   that   according  to   her                                                               
experience, painkillers and alcohol are  the drugs of choice, and                                                               
that juvenile use of alcohol is  widely accepted.  In response to                                                               
further  questions she  said that  adults  with relationships  to                                                               
minors buy alcohol  for them, or often an unknown  adult would be                                                               
asked to do it.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:13:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR  SEATON asked  Ms. Greene  what  was "in  it" for  the                                                               
suppliers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. GREENE  answered that regarding alcohol,  most suppliers hang                                                               
around for a while and just  share a couple of drinks.  Regarding                                                               
prescription painkillers,  the dealers receive money  for finding                                                               
the requested  drugs.   She went  on to say  that with  regard to                                                               
prescription drugs, they have become  available via extensions of                                                               
refill  authorizations, prescriptions  given for  minor ailments,                                                               
and stealing from the elders.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BIGGERS,  in response  to questions, reported  that he  is no                                                               
longer angry with  his father, and that he  has learned effective                                                               
coping  skills with  the help  of  PMHS staff.   In  a follow  up                                                               
response he  described how anger  episodes effect his  life today                                                               
versus when he first began receiving services from PMHS.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:23:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GATTO   hypothesized   moving   the   Petersburg                                                               
community to the  Seattle area.  If given the  various choices of                                                               
a more cosmopolitan  location, he asked, would  Mr. Biggers still                                                               
have utilized, and stayed with, the program at PMHS.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BIGGERS  praised the  Petersburg staff,  and stated  that the                                                               
support he has found at PMHS could not easily be replaced.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATIE EDFELT had her [digital] presentation shown by Ms. Ohmer.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:27:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON  expressed his appreciation for  the work being                                                               
done in Petersburg by PMHS.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  asked if  statistics could  be provided                                                               
focusing on the points that  were brought up today, including any                                                               
available statistics regarding [underage] sexual activity.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER  indicated that she  would get that information  to the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON requested that Ms.  Ohmer identify areas of the                                                               
current  system  that could  be  altered  to  help PMHS  be  more                                                               
effective in dealing with the  identified community problems.  He                                                               
asked  if  she  could  specify  any  constraints  or  overbearing                                                               
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OHMER   identified  the  administrative   and  documentation                                                               
requirements that  have increased  in the last  two years  to the                                                               
point of becoming burdensome.   These prevent her from having the                                                               
client  contact hours  that she  normally carries  which in  turn                                                               
creates a reduction  in client services.  She stated  that due to                                                               
the  time  consumed  fulfilling documentation  requirements,  the                                                               
number of clients  served at PMHS this year will  be reduced from                                                               
400 to  200.  She  then outlined,  and provided examples  of, the                                                               
documentation  that is  necessary to  secure funding,  indicating                                                               
how  the requirement  hampers day-to-day  operations.   Ms. Ohmer                                                               
asked  that a  streamlined  system be  developed  to certify  and                                                               
record the casework.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON  acknowledged that  attempts to  streamline can                                                               
often, as in  this case, go in the opposite  direction.  However,                                                               
he said he  is appalled that the  documentation requirement would                                                               
so drastically reduce the number of clients served.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:34:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER  went on to  describe what she  considers to be  a very                                                               
disturbing  requisite, that  being the  state-imposed requirement                                                               
of entering personal client information  onto a database.  Due to                                                               
the accessibility of this database,  Ms. Ohmer said she considers                                                               
this requirement  to be in violation  of patient confidentiality,                                                               
and  a breach  of  doctor-client  trust.   In  addition to  being                                                               
objectionable, she  remarked, the requirement has  also proven to                                                               
be extremely time consuming, given  what she characterized as the                                                               
current dysfunctional computer system.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR  SEATON wondered  if this  requirement is  intended to                                                               
maintain  compliance with  the Health  Insurance Portability  and                                                               
Accountability Act, (HIPAA).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OHMER replied  that whether  it is  for HIPAA  compliance or                                                               
not,  it is  her understanding  that the  database entry  must be                                                               
done in order to receive funding and to keep PMHS's doors open.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:35:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA said  she  would like  to understand  from                                                               
which direction the mandate for  documentation is most demanding:                                                               
federal or state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OHMER  characterized  the   federal  requirements  as  being                                                               
manageable.   She  said  that according  to  her experience,  the                                                               
State of Alaska  mandates are the biggest problem.   Ms. Ohmer in                                                               
response to a question explained  why the majority of the federal                                                               
information  cannot be  interfaced with  the state  requirements.                                                               
Additionally, federal  funds funneled through the  state are held                                                               
up, awaiting  additional statistical  information prior  to being                                                               
released  to the  center; this  serves to  slow down  the funding                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:39:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER in response to  a question, stepped through the details                                                               
of  dealing  with  involuntary   commitments  in  the  Petersburg                                                               
community,  where patients  may  [ultimately]  be transported  to                                                               
Juneau, or, if space is not  available, moved north to the Alaska                                                               
Psychiatric Institute (API) in Anchorage.   She also outlined the                                                               
impacts on the budget of dealing with "ex parte" patients.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:45:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON asked  Ms. Ohmer if there are  any other issues                                                               
that are  "dragging down  the system  of providing  mental health                                                               
treatment" in Petersburg.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.   OHMER  said   she   expects  that   the   lifting  of   the                                                               
aforementioned burdens  and stressors  would rejuvenate  PMHS and                                                               
other  similar centers  statewide.   She  reported  that for  the                                                               
first  time   in  her  twelve-year  tenure,   the  perception  in                                                               
Petersburg is that the legislature  would like to discontinue the                                                               
PMHS  funding.   Although  Ms.  Ohmer said  she  sees  this as  a                                                               
possibly skewed  perception, the  support for these  services, as                                                               
experienced in  the past, is  not currently evident, nor  does it                                                               
seem  that an  appreciation  exists  for what  PMHS  offers.   In                                                               
summary she stated:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I do  believe that  this type  of service  doesn't just                                                                    
     save lives, but it saves money.   We keep people out of                                                                    
     hospitals and  we keep people  out of prison.  ... That                                                                    
     was one  of the reasons  that we wanted  to communicate                                                                    
     that  the  dollars   you  send  us,  and   they  are  a                                                                    
     significant  amount  of  dollars,  make  a  difference.                                                                    
     Because of that  I believe that [PMHS]  belongs to each                                                                    
     of you  as well as to  those of us on  the front lines.                                                                    
     ...                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:47:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  asked whether  payroll issues are  still a                                                               
problem.    Going  on,  she  called for  her  colleagues  on  the                                                               
committee to join with her  in viewing non-profits as partners to                                                               
the state.   Representative Cissna  said she would expect  such a                                                               
view  to maximize  the best,  quality  service from  non-profits.                                                               
She asked Ms. Ohmer how  the legislature could further that image                                                               
with PMHS.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER  stated that the  sense of partnership  PMHS previously                                                               
established  with the  state has  dissolved over  time, and  said                                                               
that  she  looks  forward  to   receiving  whatever  support  the                                                               
legislature deems possible.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:49:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR   SEATON  admitted   that  the   committee  does   not                                                               
necessarily have a  way to identify the  most effective programs.                                                               
He  encouraged Ms.  Ohmer, and  directors of  centers who  may be                                                               
listening throughout  the state, to speak  with committee members                                                               
and other representatives  on an individual basis  to inform them                                                               
about effective and ineffective programs.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER reiterated that she "would  love to see more people and                                                               
do less paperwork", if that's possible.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:52:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO   queried  whether  paper  records   are  a                                                               
requirement, and whether digital  records might be more expedient                                                               
and helpful.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER confirmed  that paper records are required  and, in her                                                               
office,  preferred.   She  went  on to  express  her concern  for                                                               
confidentiality when  utilizing digital records.   Other problems                                                               
arise  as   well,  when  entering  digital   records:    computer                                                               
glitches, database  crashes, and lengthy  hours of work  lost due                                                               
to a dysfunctional computer system.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR SEATON said he has  been aware of computer problems at                                                               
API.   He asked if PMHS's  computer system has been  improved and                                                               
if high-speed access is available.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:53:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. OHMER specified that a "T-1"  line would be required for PMHS                                                               
to be on high speed and there  is not currently a subsidy to make                                                               
it affordable.  She  described how it can take an  hour to load a                                                               
page of  documentation.   She said she  does understand  the need                                                               
for accurate, detailed documentation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
VICE-CHAIR   SEATON  expressed   his  understanding   that  these                                                               
computer problems  had been  solved in  Homer and  elsewhere, but                                                               
acknowledged  that  perhaps  they  have  not  been  solved.    He                                                               
expressed  his appreciation  for the  presentations, and  relayed                                                               
apologies from Representative Wilson for her absence.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:55:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Health, Education and Social  Services Standing Committee meeting                                                               
was adjourned at 4:55 p.m.                                                                                                      

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